Top Contacts

This is something I’ve yet to perfect but I have a belief in it because of how many people have instructed me to do it or something similar to it.

As a real estate professional, I’m in the people business, much as I hate to admit it. See, I don’t hate people, no not at all. But I don’t particularly love having to interact with them for my work.

I’m what is frequently referred to as an introvert. But, I get along well enough with others, so I’m moderately successful at real estate sales. This doesn’t help me though when it comes to spontaneously reaching out to everyone I know so I can be top of mind.

Yes, it’s not something I’ve been doing well lately. We participated in a coaching program earlier this year with Workman Success Systems and this is one concept they’re known for.

I identify my top contacts. This might be 250, 100, 50, or somewhere in between. The working notion here is that these people are the people most likely to refer me business. From here, I design a contact plan of how I want to keep in touch with them. At WSS, it was as simple as a phone call or a face-to-face meeting once per month.

A book that influenced me a lot earlier on is 7L – Seven Levels of Communication.1 Strongly recommend it. I may reread it now that I’m thinking about it. I could use some motivation around this.

The premise of the book is that trust comes as a byproduct of communication. When we communicate with people more and more, they trust us as professionals and become more and more likely to refer business to us.

So, how do we keep in touch with these people? WSS keeps it simple with a phone call or a face-to-face once per month.2 7L provides lots of ideas, an example of one is their emphasis on writing personal notes.3

7L also prescribes the task of grading one’s database. WSS had a similar suggestion. Most people think in terms of A, B, C, and sometimes D, and F. The point is that if I grade them, I don’t have to remember who’s at what stage, I just search for the categorical letter and see the list of people.

WSS used A is for leads that are expected to buy/sell/etc. within 30 days, for instance, whereas, A+ is an Ambassador in 7L — somebody who has before, and you expect to in the future, refer you more than 1 deal per year. Typically A (or A+) is the optimal grading, and people less likely to close or less likely to refer us business (depending on which model is used) would be graded as B, C, D, F, etc.

Some people make their entire careers just focused on direct referral. In order to do that, we have to be referrable. In order to be referrable, we have to behave remarkably when we’re dealing with clients.

Old Sam doesn’t always deal remarkably with clients. We all make mistakes. The important thing is to actually do our best so we can lay our head on the pillow peacefully, and so we can ensure that we’re going to be talked about positively by the people we’ve helped.

When it comes to this aspect of the business, we’re rewarded for being good at relationships. I sometimes feel that the effort makes it insincere, inauthentic. I have an angle, after all. So, I’m going to challenge myself to find a way to do it authentically for me.

Writing comes much easier to me. I could finally get serious about a work-related blog and send content out to my people once a month, once a week, bi-weekly, whatever. I could call the ones that I feel comfortable calling because I like them and they seem to like me.

Another way I could increase my SOI activity is by visiting people. I’m always so busy like every other real estate professional claims to be. 4 Getting out, intentionally, and visiting with past clients and friends in the area where I work is much more up my alley than the phone call. The visit, as opposed to the call, feels more meaningful for them, and it’s more fulfilling for me.

So, there I go! Win/win.

  • Begin a blog for my company and email the post however often I decide.
    • I’ll begin with a monthly newsletter with a market update and whatever other ancillary things that matter that I can think of.
    • I’ll post that as a blog post on our company website.
    • Maybe I’ll read the market report to a video screen and call it a YouTube video.
    • I’ll link both in our MailChimp account and send them out monthly to our subscribers.5
  • I’ll challenge myself to visit with one past client/member of my sphere of influence (SOI) every week.

For me, this feels both authentic and effective. It’s something I can get behind doing because it suits my personality and preferences more. Many people I know don’t mind making phone calls—it comes easily for them. Great. I think the important thing is mapping out a system and actually executing it for an extended period of time.6

  1. I’m a guy who’s had a considerable amount of my business come from people I know personally and from direct referrals from people I know personally. I believe this is due in large part to this book and the things it teaches. ↩︎
  2. I merely skimmed the Ninja real estate book you may have heard of. One concept that jumped out at me was this one. Very similar, they recommend a call every seven weeks to set up a meeting every eight weeks. Something like that. The approach is altered slightly everywhere but is otherwise ubiquitous. ↩︎
  3. Writing personal notes can be an effective and touching way to communicate. It feels very personal to see someone’s handwriting. A good rule of thumb with this would be to commit to writing X per day. In the 7L book, there’s an in-depth formula for how to write the cards. Use the formula if it’s helpful. If it deters you from writing them, it’s not serving you and you should just write notes. ↩︎
  4. But I’m rarely too busy for lunch with my business partner at the drop of a hat. ↩︎
  5. This will be distinct from the newsletter we’re already sending out, for this will actually be news! ↩︎
  6. Holiday cards, thank you notes, thinking of you notes, blogging, phone calls, client events, visiting them at their home, inviting them to visit you at your office or an open house, getting lunch/meals, play dates with their kids and yours, birthday parties, housewarming parties—the list goes on. ↩︎
Top Contacts

Did I mention follow up?

There’s a guy who I’ve been calling every week for a while. What’s most surprising to me is that he’s never once been like, “Why are you calling me every week?”. It’s always been a little update even when he’s really saying nothing new.

I’d love to say that I’m just that diligent. I’m not. My client is. I have a buyer client that I represent only in this purchase (which may never happen), and he sends me a gentle text every week on the day that I say I’ll follow up with the seller again.

This began as an invitation to list the property. It’s an 11-unit apartment building in a small town near where I live. I prepared a market analysis without having seen the units, just to give him a down-and-dirty estimate of the value to begin with.

He went cold after we went back and forth a couple of times. I kept on him a bit but my spirits were flagging after about a month or two of checking in.

Then I met Mr. Buyer. He reached out to me cold after finding me on LoopNet, asking if I had any buildings like this one. I told him that I might have a listing coming on with 11 units in it and that it sounds like it would fit what he was looking for quite well actually.

Now I get to call the seller with a purpose! I have a buyer. He listened, intrigued, and asked if this guy had mailed him. He was fascinated that people actually wanted to buy buildings like this now (it had been owned by his LLC and others he owned and partnered on since the late ’70s).

Then he abruptly ended the conversation by saying something similar to “uh-huh, right, right, right, okay. Okay. Good. Sounds good. Good. Yup. See ya later. Bye,” all in fairly quick succession without me saying anything other than “bye” at the end. It’s one way to end a conversation. (It’s also the way he ends every phone conversation, I’ve since learned.)

Fast forward a week. I call again. Little update. Has some other buyers who might be interested (that mailed him last year and who he called). Okay.

My guy decided to submit an offer. Now he’s contractually my guy (on this place anyway). Seller invites me over to see the units. Things are looking promising.

I look at the units. I offer feedback. I inquire about the offer. They express interest but nothing concrete. Still thinking about it.

Another week. I call. Similar thing. The other buyer is working on getting more buyers to partner. Still interested in our offer (but it’s low), just want to see how much they can get for it. Don’t want to expose it to the market because then the tenants will know. That could be messy.

Okay. Next week. I call again.

Gotten keys from some of the units. Many of them are nicer than the ones I saw in person. There’s a lot of potential here. Do I have any idea about building code in this town as it relates to second form of egress? No? Okay. Still thinking about it. Buyers are still trying to find other partners. Bye.

This went on and has gone on now for five months, maybe six?

Every week, I put a new task in my calendar to call this guy. Every week, my client texts me and asks for an update.

Today was that day of the week. I called. Voicemail. I had a challenging day today (as well as yesterday). It’s the end of my day. He calls back. I answer. One of the first things he says is he asks me what the listing fee is. I know where this is going! I answer adeptly and I explain that that includes buyer agency as well. He asks a clarifying question. I explain. Finally! I’ve been at this stupid thing altogether since January (August 29th today), and calling weekly for close to four or five months. I’ve had a tough couple days baby, but this is going to make it all worth it!

He next asks if I know why his buyers backed out.

I say that I don’t. He explains various things regarding the width of one of the stairwells, that there’s a support beam too close to a header and they’ve taken water there before, and something he wasn’t sure about concerning the foundation.

I listen and make understanding noises as he talks.

After 10 minutes of this, he says they still have a lot to think about. He makes no committal indications of anything.

Well, it would have been nice…

What did I do? Cry into my keyboard and wish that my fucking day would lighten just a little bit?

I set the reminder to call him next week.

Did I mention follow up?

Keeping in touch

You never know who your next customer is going to be. We meet people from all walks of life doing real estate. Furthermore, we frequently encounter people we peripherally know from the place we live who end up working with us.

It’s not uncommon to have a direct buyer call when we have a house for sale. That’s one of the many benefits of having listings. A buyer called me on a listing I had several months ago. I sold this house, not to them, and made it a point to keep in touch.

They were somewhat far away and were a bit wishy-washy about whether they wanted to buy or rent, and if they were going to buy, whether it would be near them or near me. I don’t do much in the way of rentals, but I happened to get a house rental to market that I did as a favor to someone in order to build the relationship. The house loosely fit what they were looking for. So, I reached out to them and just let them know that it was available. Turns out they were out of the country on vacation and couldn’t see it. I offered to do a virtual tour, but they weren’t totally into it. Fine. I leased it to someone else and moved on.

Fast forward another month or two and I’m interviewing for a listing in the same neighborhood as the listing I had earlier in the year. Turns out, this seller really likes the idea of selling off-market rather than going through the hubbub of bringing it to market. They have a work-related situation and they’d rather not have to explain the move prematurely.

I won the listing. Part of what won me the listing was being able to honestly say that I had at least one, and more like three, interested buyers who might be a fit. If they happen to be, this would solve the sellers’ problem and allow them to sell it privately without having to list it publicly for sale. There is the added bonus that it could be a direct buyer and I would double-side the sale. That’s $500,000 @ 6% vs. 3.5%. Not a trivial difference in terms of commission if it all went that way.

Today I brought that buyer through the house. This was our first time meeting in person. It was a good showing and a good meeting. Established good rapport with their family. Very positive. They first called in March. It’ll be September 1st in a few days. They may buy this house, or they may not.

In either case, I’m creating opportunity. We’re so fortunate in real estate because there is so much potential for opportunity. We sell a service that is consumed by a significant portion of the population everywhere. Consequently, there is an abundance of opportunity for business hiding everywhere you look.

I wonder about how many deals I didn’t close because I didn’t keep in touch with everyone that I met. I know it’s a massive number.

The importance of a functional CRM—that we actually use—can’t be overstated, in my opinion, and it’s something I could do a lot better with. But I do keep simple lists of people so I can glance at them and see everyone that’s currently relevant in terms of now business and who I should be touching.

Leads | Active | Contract | Closing | Closed | Let Go | Lost/Didn’t Keep in Touch

I have these categories on a KanBan-style board in Trello like the photo below. When they change stages, I just drag them to the appropriate card (column).

This basic tool is simple enough that I do it pretty consistently. I can glance at this while I’m driving (I’m not perfect), or easily add someone to it from my phone after a meeting. On my desktop in my office, it’s a pinned tab that’s usually always one click away.

I used to keep this same format on a whiteboard in my office. I’d look at it every time I looked up. It’s a practice I may return to again. I’ve found that this is an area where redundancy can be really useful.

Don’t let them slip away. The money is definitely in the follow-up. I just closed buyers (who were also sellers) I’ve been talking to for over two years. I have buyers currently who just emailed me about the listing described in this post that I’ve been talking to since 2019! Keep at ’em.

Keeping in touch